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Joel Osteen Cannot Say Whether Atheists or If Anyone is Going to Hell

In this video, Joel Osteen is given many opportunities to say that Jesus is the only Way to heaven as is taught by orthodox, historic Christianity:


How are a few verses that indicate that Jesus is the only Way:

(Acts 4:12)  "Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
(John 8:24)  "Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins."
(1 Cor 3:11)  For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
(1 Tim 2:5)  For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
(John 14:6)  Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."

There are more, of course. The bible is clear. Jesus is the only Way to the Father (heaven). All others will, sadly, be in hell. We must pray for as many that have ears to hear will hear.

The Sliding Scale of Morality and Law

1 Corinthians 10:12 For we dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves. But they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

If our laws and our morals as a society are not grounded in something that does not change, then what we believe to be acceptable at one time will certainly change over time. Anyone can see this as they reflect on those activities that were prohibited years ago. It is the same concept when one hears that we should be led by the “first principles” when referring to the constitution of the United States. The founders of this country believed that if we strayed too far from these first principles, the state of the union would be in jeopardy. Equally, our Creator has dictated that if we stray from His First Principles, we too, as as society and individually, are in jeopardy.

Below is a listing of those state statutes that are repealed or were put into law years ago and are being completely ignored today:

Sunday Liquor Sales (MCL 436.2114 Selling, giving away, furnishing, or buying alcoholic liquor or spirits on Sunday): Just repealed for the want of more money. See my post on my other site here. It used to be restricted on Sunday morning from 2:00am to 12:00 noon.

Abortion: MCL 750.14 Administering drugs, etc., with intent to procure miscarriage—Any person who shall wilfully administer to any pregnant woman any medicine, drug, substance or thing whatever, or shall employ any instrument or other means whatever, with intent thereby to procure the miscarriage of any such woman, unless the same shall have been necessary to preserve the life of such woman, shall be guilty of a felony, and in case the death of such pregnant woman be thereby produced, the offense shall be deemed manslaughter.MCL 750.90g(b) That a live infant partially outside his or her mother is neither a fetus nor potential life, but is a person.

Adultery: MCL 750.30 Punishment—Any person who shall commit adultery shall be guilty of a felony; and when the crime is committed between a married woman and a man who is unmarried, the man shall be guilty of adultery, and liable to the same punishment.

Advertising relating to sexual diseases: MCL 750.34 A person who advertises ... the treating or curing of venereal diseases, the restoration of “lost manhood” or “lost vitality or vigor”, or advertises in any manner that he or she is a specialist in diseases of the sexual organs, or diseases caused by sexual vice or masturbation, or in any diseases of like cause, or shall advertise in any manner any medicine, drug, compound, appliance, or any means whatever whereby sexual diseases of men or women may be cured or relieved, or miscarriage or abortion produced, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 1 year or a fine of not more than $1,000.00.

Blasphemy: MCL 750.102 Any person who shall wilfully blaspheme the holy name of God, by cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

Cursing and Swearing: MCL 750.103 Any person who has arrived at the age of discretion, who shall profanely curse or damn or swear by the name of God, Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor. No such prosecution shall be sustained unless it shall be commenced within 5 days after the commission of such offense.

Homosexuality/Sodomy: MCL 750.158 Any person who shall commit the abominable and detestable crime against nature either with mankind or with any animal shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 15 years, or if such person was at the time of the said offense a sexually delinquent person, may be punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for an indeterminate term, the minimum of which shall be 1 day and the maximum of which shall be life. MCL 750.159 In any prosecution for sodomy, it shall not be necessary to prove emission, and any sexual penetration, however slight, shall be deemed sufficient to complete the crime specified in the next preceding section.

Desertion of Spouse: MCL 750.161 (1) A person who deserts and abandons his or her spouse or deserts and abandons his or her children under 17 years of age, without providing necessary and proper shelter, food, care, and clothing for them, and a person who being of sufficient ability fails, neglects, or refuses to provide necessary and proper shelter, food, care, and clothing for his or her spouse or his or her children under 17 years of age, is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in a state correctional facility for not less than 1 year and not more than 3 years, or by imprisonment in the county jail for not less than 3 months and not more than 1 year.

Fortune Telling (repealed 1993): MCL 750.267-270 Repealed. 1993, Act 282, Eff. Apr. 1, 1994.
267 Fortune telling by cards, etc., for gain - Any person who shall pretend for money or gain, to predict future events by cards, tokens, trances, the inspection of the hands or the conformation of the skull of any person, mind reading so-called, or by consulting the movements of the heavenly bodies, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

Gambling: MCL 750.301 Any person or his or her agent or employee who, directly or indirectly, takes, receives, or accepts from any person any money or valuable thing with the agreement, understanding or allegation that any money or valuable thing will be paid or delivered to any person where the payment or delivery is alleged to be or will be contingent upon the result of any race, contest, or game or upon the happening of any event not known by the parties to be certain, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 1 year or a fine of not more than $1,000.00.

Incest (repealed 1974 and 1999): MCL 750.333 Any person who is within the degree of consanguinity with another within which marriages are prohibited or declared by law to be incestuous and void...and shall marry such other person, or shall commit adultery or fornication with such other person, shall be guilt of a felony.

Lewd and lascivious cohabitation and gross lewdness: MCL 750.335 Any man or woman, not being married to each other, who lewdly and lasciviously associates and cohabits together, and any man or woman, married or unmarried, who is guilty of open and gross lewdness and lascivious behavior, is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 1 year, or a fine of not more than $1,000.00. No prosecution shall be commenced under this section after 1 year from the time of committing the offense.

Women and children; improper language in presence: MCL 750.337 Any person who shall use any indecent, immoral, obscene, vulgar or insulting language in the presence or hearing of any woman or child shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

Gross indecency; between male persons: MCL 750.338 Any male person who, in public or in private, commits or is a party to the commission of or procures or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of any act of gross indecency with another male person shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years, or by a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or if such person was at the time of the said offense a sexually delinquent person, may be punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for an indeterminate term, the minimum of which shall be 1 day and the maximum of which shall be life.

Gross indecency; female persons: MCL 750.338a Any female person who, in public or in private, commits or is a party to the commission of, or any person who procures or attempts to procure the commission by any female person of any act of gross indecency with another female person shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years, or by a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or if such person was at the time of the said offense a sexually delinquent person, may be punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for an indeterminate term, the minimum of which shall be 1 day and the maximum of which shall be life.

Gross indecency; between male and female persons: MCL 750.338b Any male person who, in public or in private, commits or is a party to the commission of any act of gross indecency with a female person shall be guilty of a felony, punishable as provided in this section. Any female person who, in public or in private, commits or is a party to the commission of any act of gross indecency with a male person shall be guilty of a felony punishable as provided in this section. Any person who procures or attempts to procure the commission of any act of gross indecency by and between any male person and any female person shall be guilty of a felony punishable as provided in this section. Any person convicted of a felony as provided in this section shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than 5 years, or by a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or if such person was at the time of the said offense a sexually delinquent person, may be punishable by imprisonment in the state prison for an indeterminate term, the minimum of which shall be 1 day and the maximum of which shall be life.

Obscene, sadistic, or masochistic literature; recording or image, penalty for sale, transmutation, or possession: MCL 750.343a Repealed. 1957, Act 265, Imd. Eff. June 13, 1957.
Any person who knowingly either sells, lends, gives away, distributes, shows or transmutes or offers either to sell, lend, give away, distribute, show or transmute, or advertise in any manner, or who otherwise knowingly offers for either loan, gift, sale or distribution, any obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy or indecent, sadistic or masochistic book magazine, pamphlet, newspaper, story paper, writing, paper, phonograph record, picture, drawing, photograph, motion picture film, figure, image, wire or tape recording or any written,printed or recorded matter of an indecent character which may or may not require mechanical or other means to be transmuted into auditory, visual or sensory representations of such character, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon conviction shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for not more than 1 year or by a fine of not more than $1,000, or by both such fine and imprisonment. MCL 750.343b The test to be applied in cases under section 343a of this act shall not be whether sexual desires or sexually improper thoughts would be aroused in those comprising a particular segment of the community, the young, the immature or the highly prudish, or would leave another segment, the scientific or highly educated or the so-call worldly wise and sophisticated, indifferent and unmoved. But such test shall be the effect of the book, picture or other subject to complaint considered as a whole, not upon any particular class, but upon all those whom it is likely to reach, that is, its impact upon the average person in the community. The book, picture or other subject of complaint must be judged as a whole in its entire context, not by considering detached or separate portions only, and by the standards of common conscience of the community of the contemporary period of the violation charged.

Seduction: MCL 750.532 Any man who shall seduce and debauch any unmarried woman shall be guilty of a felony

Penal Code

Communist Control Law - Public Act 117 of 1952 - Repealed

Why has this law been repealed? Are communists now good for our country? At one time, this "fifth column" was actively expelled from government positions and influence. Today, we elect leaders that prescribe to many of their ideologies. We may have waited too long to reverse course and protect our nation.

Repealed 1978 Michigan MCL 752.321 The legislature hereby finds and declares that there are present in the state of Michigan subversive groups and elements, particularly of the communist party and certain of its affiliated organizations, which have infiltrated into both private and public employment and into the public schools of the state. The consequence of any such infiltration in the public schools is that subversive propaganda can be disseminated among children of tender years by those who teach them and to whom the children look for guidance, authority and leadership...The legislature finds that such dissemination of propaganda may be and frequently is sufficiently subtle to escape detection in the classroom. It is difficult, therefore, to measure the menace of such infiltration in the schools by conduct in the classroom. The legislature further finds and declares that in order to protect the children and our state institutions from such subversive influence it is essential that the communist party and its affiliated organizations, from obtaining or retaining employment in the public schools or sate financed positions, be vigorously enforced. The legislature deplores the failure heretofore to prevent such infiltration which threatens dangerously to become a commonplace in our schools and institutions.
Not only have the communist/socialist ideologies become commonplace, but they have virtually taken over.

Judgment Day: May 21, 2011

The new day for the rapture is October 21. Anybody worried about this? I didn't think so.


After May 21


Harold Camping's first interview on May 23:
"October 21, the world will be destroyed."
"No more advertising."
"The world has been warned."
"The world is under judgment."
"We aren’t changing the date at all."
"It won’t be spiritual on October 21."
"It won’t be five months of difficulty."
"We had all the dates, we had all the proofs correct."
"God had not opened our eyes that May 21 was a spiritual coming."
"He now has the world under judgment. 
Before May 21
This is the same guy, Harold Camping, who has set dates for the end of the world before. Sad, but interesting. Someday, end time events will actually take place and nobody will pay attention because of people like this.

Family Radio (FR) Worldwide - Judgment Day: May 21, 2011


The end of the world is almost here!
Holy God will bring judgment day on
May 21, 2011
If you are one who believes that this day is approaching and the rapture or the return of Christ will take place, do not be discouraged on May 22. Nothing happened that should shake your faith. Have faith in the essentials which include things like the death and bodily resurrection of Christ. The End Times are interesting and these things (not the rapture) will definitely take place. But the timing is not for us to know. When May 22 comes, question your teacher, but do not question your faith.

Video from the Al Jazeera Network of all places:


Here is a screen shot and some files from the Pre-May 21 Harold Camping site.

Infallible Proof
Judgment Day May 21, 2011
Harold Camping's Goodbye Letter

Joel Osteen's Skewed Mission - Video

Joel Osteen says his mission is to help people forgive and to have "right thoughts". Those thousands of individuals that you see in the video need to know they they can be forgiven by the perfect and Holy God by the sacrifice of the Perfect and Holy Son, Jesus Christ. They need to understand that some of their thoughts that are not "right" are sinful and they need a savior. They need forgiveness while learning to forgive others.

If he was a motivational speaker, there would not be such a problem with his "mission". However, he purports to be a minister of the Word of God. Consequently, he should be held to a higher standard. We should be in prayer for him and those that follow him.

America's New Religion at the Church of Oprah

The folks at today's Oprah program were in rapture over all the new stuff America's Priestess of all things Spiritual (and material) was handing out.